(12:52:12) Chris no. there is no preference
(12:52:15) Chris there is only what is and isn’t
(12:52:22) Chris there is no grays in the world of science
(12:52:25) Chris its either fact or fiction
(12:52:43) Chris that’s why…ART doesn’t really exist. As an art form
(12:52:51) Chris you can’t splash colors on a canvas, and claim it to be art
(12:53:11) Chris because you can’t transpose what you may of been feeling thru something that has no tangible methods of emotional retrieval
(12:53:32) Will what makes art art?
(12:53:47) Chris first of all, you can’t define a word by its definition?
(12:53:53) Chris so art can’t be art…
(12:54:02) Chris art is nothing but an emotion, and it is not tangible
(12:54:05) Chris you can’t MAKE ART
(12:54:17) Chris you can only perceive art, but that does not mean it IS ART
(12:54:23) Will oh shut up
(12:54:25) Chris serious
(12:54:28) Chris I don’t mean that in my way
(12:54:33) Will I’m not doing the perception shit again
(12:54:34) Chris if I have a photo graph of myself
(12:54:35) Chris it’s not
(12:54:46) Chris it’s not the same as "existence"
(12:54:51) Chris were not talking "reality"
(12:54:59) Chris I take a photograph of my mom
(12:55:01) Chris it’s just a photo
(12:55:06) Chris I frame it, put it in an art gallery
(12:55:08) Chris and now its art?
(12:55:22) Chris why does location change what was once, scientific data (captured light)
(12:55:23) Chris into art?
(12:55:32) Chris by me calling it art, does it become art automatically?
(12:55:38) Chris what I am saying, is no thing is "ART"
(12:55:42) Chris "art is not a noun"
(12:55:46) Chris is what I’m trying to say
(12:55:56) Chris "Art is a personal experience, and therefore can’t be reproducible"
(12:56:12) Chris some doods statue, is just a representation of some sort of chemical reaction that was occurring in his brain
(12:56:20) Chris it does not automatically become art, unless I choose to perceive it as such
(13:02:43) Chris do you understand at all what am I saying/ or you just shutting me out cuz your not being open minded
(13:04:58) Chris perception is HUGE, whether or not your an Idealist…..everyone still perceives…there is no one almighty thing telling us what is wrong and what emotions are valid or invalid
(13:05:51) Will but I disagree with that. I don’t think it’s anyone’s job through perception or any other way to give something the merit to be labeled as art. art, to me, is an outward expression of emotion and something that provokes a feeling from those receiving it, good or bad. I believe that art can’t be truly defined, but I believe that the essential purpose is that it connects one person to another. paint, sculpture, photos, and words can all do that. am I saying I personally think that everything ever created is art? no. am I saying all you have to do is stick it in a gallery and its art? no. all I’m saying is if someone creates something and it evokes an emotion from you, it has the grounds of being labeled as art.
(13:06:53) Chris which is exactly what I’m saying. That nothing is ART…as a form. it is only ART at the time of perception, and when those emotions are being stimulated
(13:07:04) Chris without someone looking at it, it can’t really be art
(13:07:21) Chris which is why it’s not a NOUN…art is not a thing, but a set of emotional responses by the perceiver
(13:07:37) Chris so doing a painting…..even a very emotional driven painting, does not guarantee it to be ART
(13:07:52) Chris only to the one who is getting an "artistic" response to it
(13:11:50) Will but in that interpretation, nothing can be art is one person doesn’t get it. aside from your perception excuse that you always like to throw out, art is art is anyone gets that emotion. if I look at something, and I’m seriously moved by it and then you look at it and get nothing, it doesn’t make it any less an art form. it’s still art. and bringing this back, the same is true for poetry and novels. poetry is not any less an art form because you don’t like or get it. and it’s not any less worthy of acceptance. it’s still art, whether you personally perceive it to be or not.
(13:12:55) Will because outside of your perception bubble, someone still chooses to see it as such
(13:13:56) Will you can choose not to like or appreciate poetry, but it doesn’t mean that it’s not something that evokes emotion or was a creation of emotion
(13:14:50) Chris yea, no I disagree
(13:14:54) Chris I am saying, it is ART….but to you
(13:14:58) Chris doesn’t make it ART To me
(13:14:59) Will of course you do haha
(13:15:18) Chris you can write a collection of poetry….but to someone who doesn’t read English…doesn’t make it poetry
(13:15:22) Will but ART to anyone is still ART
(13:15:23) Chris you need to have a set of predefined notions, first
(13:15:25) Chris to understand t
(13:15:38) Chris No just cuz you say its ART, does automatically qualify it to be a piece of ART
(13:15:48) Chris because your qualifications are not universal
(13:16:00) Chris and therefore there is no reason why ART is universally accepted as long as one person perceives it to be
(13:16:08) Will no, not just saying it’s art, agreed
(13:16:31) Chris yea..it is ART…to you…and to everyone else who think its ART
(13:16:41) Chris but if I walk up to it, and I see it thru my eyes…as a splash of paint
(13:16:44) Chris paint
(13:16:48) Chris and nothing else….it is no longer art
(13:16:54) Will to you
(13:17:14) Chris yes, which is why….something can’t be ART as a fact…cuz its not a universal fact to all who perceive it
(13:17:31) Chris like a stone is a stone…….no matter who looks at it…..the fact it is a stone, does not change
(13:17:38) Chris but with art….it does change
(13:20:24) Will no, I disagree. art still remains art in a general sense, because it’s art to someone. you’re only saying that you don’t want to label it as art. that’s fine. but that doesn’t define how I choose to label it. or anyone else for that matter.
(13:20:56) Chris but being ART to someone is not technically guaranteed
(13:21:08) Chris unless u want around for every piece of something, and asked everyone if its art…to keep defining it as art
(13:21:17) Chris so the minute the earth ends….it stops being art.
(13:21:22) Chris therefore….not art
(13:21:54) Will *sigh
(13:22:01) Will let’s just agree to disagree
(13:23:12) Chris you believe…that if there was no living thing on EARTH…and a painting of Picasso fell from the sky, or appeared in our universe….
(13:23:14) Chris it is art?
(13:23:21) Chris yet…no one is there to perceive it as such?